Comments on: What’s sauce for the Goose… http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/03/26/whats-sauce-for-the-goose/ VoilĂ ! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:22:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: JamesK http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/03/26/whats-sauce-for-the-goose/comment-page-1/#comment-24955 JamesK Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:38:34 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/03/26/whats-sauce-for-the-goose/#comment-24955 Nads being partisan about smearing those who oppose her point of view, perish the thought ;)<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('24955','JamesK'); return false;">Reply</a> | <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('24955','JamesK','Nads being partisan about smearing those who oppose her point of view, perish the thought ;)'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Nads being partisan about smearing those who oppose her point of view, perish the thought ;)
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]]> By: septicisle http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/03/26/whats-sauce-for-the-goose/comment-page-1/#comment-24953 septicisle Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:35:39 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/03/26/whats-sauce-for-the-goose/#comment-24953 Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we previously discover that Dorries' blog is taxpayer-funded? Surely this direct attack on Labour MPs daring to have a different view to hers contravenes that fair use policy which excludes them from party political sniping or otherwise. Either way, I do hope that Dorries will also be targeting the female Conservative MPs that doubtless disagree with cutting the limit just as she is currently doing to female Labour MPs. It would be rather unfair if she didn't, wouldn't it?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('24953','septicisle'); return false;">Reply</a> | <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('24953','septicisle','Correct me if I\'m wrong, but didn\'t we previously discover that Dorries\' blog is taxpayer-funded? Surely this direct attack on Labour MPs daring to have a different view to hers contravenes that fair use policy which excludes them from party political sniping or otherwise.\r\n\r\nEither way, I do hope that Dorries will also be targeting the female Conservative MPs that doubtless disagree with cutting the limit just as she is currently doing to female Labour MPs. It would be rather unfair if she didn\'t, wouldn\'t it?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t we previously discover that Dorries’ blog is taxpayer-funded? Surely this direct attack on Labour MPs daring to have a different view to hers contravenes that fair use policy which excludes them from party political sniping or otherwise.

Either way, I do hope that Dorries will also be targeting the female Conservative MPs that doubtless disagree with cutting the limit just as she is currently doing to female Labour MPs. It would be rather unfair if she didn’t, wouldn’t it?

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]]> By: JamesK http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/03/26/whats-sauce-for-the-goose/comment-page-1/#comment-24945 JamesK Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:10:04 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/03/26/whats-sauce-for-the-goose/#comment-24945 Having done a little research on Nad’s speeches in the commons, the only time she has mentioned the 72% figure in the house she hasn’t mentioned which pol the figure has come from, although she does mention a lower figure from the ComRes poll.

“It is now also a matter of public opinion, because there is now a huge movement by the general public towards wanting to see a reduction from the upper limit—72 per cent. in the most recent poll, and 69 per cent. in the Communicate Research poll. Marie Stopes has just done a poll, and 62 per cent. of GPs want to see the upper limit reduced.”
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmhansrd/cm071113/debtext/71113-0014.htm#71113-0014.htm_spnew3

Isn’t Hansard great :D

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]]> By: Dave Cole http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/03/26/whats-sauce-for-the-goose/comment-page-1/#comment-24944 Dave Cole Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:12:56 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/03/26/whats-sauce-for-the-goose/#comment-24944 I've emailed Nadine to ask which poll she is using. In the meantime, Roe v Wade has been added to my reading list. I'm not sure that those figures do come from Communicate Research; in one of her speeches, she cited the 72% as being from a different survey.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('24944','Dave Cole'); return false;">Reply</a> | <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('24944','Dave Cole','I\'ve emailed Nadine to ask which poll she is using. In the meantime, Roe v Wade has been added to my reading list.\r\n\r\nI\'m not sure that those figures do come from Communicate Research; in one of her speeches, she cited the 72% as being from a different survey.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I’ve emailed Nadine to ask which poll she is using. In the meantime, Roe v Wade has been added to my reading list.

I’m not sure that those figures do come from Communicate Research; in one of her speeches, she cited the 72% as being from a different survey.

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]]> By: JamesK http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/03/26/whats-sauce-for-the-goose/comment-page-1/#comment-24943 JamesK Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:46:00 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/03/26/whats-sauce-for-the-goose/#comment-24943 Was that the poll they conducted on May 4th 2006? I agree that the questions posed were extremely leading, but I can't actually find the 72% figure on anything that remotely looks like supporting reducing the time limit on abortions from 24 weeks to 20 weeks (or less). The closest I could find is Q5 Do you agree or disagree with each of the following statements about abortion? - Aborting a baby at six months pregnancy is cruel to which the numbers agreeing were total:76% men:72% women:81% http://www.comres.co.uk/comRes/resources/7/Parliamentary/Abortion%2006.pdf p21 Is this the same poll you were looking at?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('24943','JamesK'); return false;">Reply</a> | <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('24943','JamesK','Was that the poll they conducted on May 4th 2006?\r\n\r\nI agree that the questions posed were extremely leading, but I can\'t actually find the 72% figure on anything that remotely looks like supporting reducing the time limit on abortions from 24 weeks to 20 weeks (or less).\r\n\r\nThe closest I could find is Q5 Do you agree or disagree with each of the following statements about abortion?\r\n- Aborting a baby at six months pregnancy is cruel\r\n\r\nto which the numbers agreeing were total:76% men:72% women:81%\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.comres.co.uk\/comRes\/resources\/7\/Parliamentary\/Abortion%2006.pdf p21\r\n\r\nIs this the same poll you were looking at?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Was that the poll they conducted on May 4th 2006?

I agree that the questions posed were extremely leading, but I can’t actually find the 72% figure on anything that remotely looks like supporting reducing the time limit on abortions from 24 weeks to 20 weeks (or less).

The closest I could find is Q5 Do you agree or disagree with each of the following statements about abortion?
- Aborting a baby at six months pregnancy is cruel

to which the numbers agreeing were total:76% men:72% women:81%

http://www.comres.co.uk/comRes/resources/7/Parliamentary/Abortion%2006.pdf p21

Is this the same poll you were looking at?

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]]> By: Unity http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/03/26/whats-sauce-for-the-goose/comment-page-1/#comment-24942 Unity Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:30:45 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/03/26/whats-sauce-for-the-goose/#comment-24942 Dave: One of the best expositions of the shifting sand of Christian opinion on the beginnings of life is actually in the ruling in Roe vs Wade. If you've never read it, its worth looking up as a masterpiece of judicial thinking. JamieK: Her figures come from a poll for Life by ComRes, which is a respectable enough polling company. However if you look more closely, the poll is constructed in an extremely leading manner and they've run the same poll for four years running, refining the questions and ordering each time to load things further in their favour. It's actually very well done if rather transparent if, like me, you understand how opinion polls and surveys can be easily manipulated to favour particular outcomes.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('24942','Unity'); return false;">Reply</a> | <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('24942','Unity','Dave:\r\n\r\nOne of the best expositions of the shifting sand of Christian opinion on the beginnings of life is actually in the ruling in Roe vs Wade. If you\'ve never read it, its worth looking up as a masterpiece of judicial thinking.\r\n\r\nJamieK:\r\n\r\nHer figures come from a poll for Life by ComRes, which is a respectable enough polling company. However if you look more closely, the poll is constructed in an extremely leading manner and they\'ve run the same poll for four years running, refining the questions and ordering each time to load things further in their favour.\r\n\r\nIt\'s actually very well done if rather transparent if, like me, you understand how opinion polls and surveys can be easily manipulated to favour particular outcomes.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Dave:

One of the best expositions of the shifting sand of Christian opinion on the beginnings of life is actually in the ruling in Roe vs Wade. If you’ve never read it, its worth looking up as a masterpiece of judicial thinking.

JamieK:

Her figures come from a poll for Life by ComRes, which is a respectable enough polling company. However if you look more closely, the poll is constructed in an extremely leading manner and they’ve run the same poll for four years running, refining the questions and ordering each time to load things further in their favour.

It’s actually very well done if rather transparent if, like me, you understand how opinion polls and surveys can be easily manipulated to favour particular outcomes.

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]]> By: Dave Cole http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/03/26/whats-sauce-for-the-goose/comment-page-1/#comment-24941 Dave Cole Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:48:19 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/03/26/whats-sauce-for-the-goose/#comment-24941 Nice one, Unity. I have a similar argument over at my place.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('24941','Dave Cole'); return false;">Reply</a> | <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('24941','Dave Cole','Nice one, Unity. I have a similar argument over at my place.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Nice one, Unity. I have a similar argument over at my place.
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]]> By: JamesK http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/03/26/whats-sauce-for-the-goose/comment-page-1/#comment-24940 JamesK Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:42:41 +0000 http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/03/26/whats-sauce-for-the-goose/#comment-24940 Mad Nad's intellectual bankruptcy, scientific illiteracy and duplicity are becoming increasingly irritating. I might even get a blog and start writing about it, among other things, single issue and attack blogs are somewhat unpleasant. I am becoming increasingly intrigued by where the 72% figure that she repeatedly quotes actually comes from. Nad notes that it comes from several polls, but doesn't name any. You don't think she is resorting to the "lurkers support me in email" gambit, do you? Good blog btw<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('24940','JamesK'); return false;">Reply</a> | <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('24940','JamesK','Mad Nad\'s intellectual bankruptcy, scientific illiteracy and duplicity are becoming increasingly irritating. I might even get a blog and start writing about it, among other things, single issue and attack blogs are somewhat unpleasant.\r\n\r\nI am becoming increasingly intrigued by where the 72% figure that she repeatedly quotes actually comes from. Nad notes that it comes from several polls, but doesn\'t name any. You don\'t think she is resorting to the \r\n\"lurkers support me in email\" gambit, do you?\r\n\r\nGood blog btw'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Mad Nad’s intellectual bankruptcy, scientific illiteracy and duplicity are becoming increasingly irritating. I might even get a blog and start writing about it, among other things, single issue and attack blogs are somewhat unpleasant.

I am becoming increasingly intrigued by where the 72% figure that she repeatedly quotes actually comes from. Nad notes that it comes from several polls, but doesn’t name any. You don’t think she is resorting to the
“lurkers support me in email” gambit, do you?

Good blog btw

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