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	<title>Comments on: SPCK owner seeks US bankruptcy protection for UK charity</title>
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	<description>VoilÃ ! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.</description>
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		<title>By: Exigency In Specie / Learning the Lessons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exigency In Specie / Learning the Lessons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] AM]Ministry of Truth - SPCK owner seeks US bankruptcy protection for UK charity KEY POST - Digging into the Brewer &#8220;Legal Manoeuvres in the Dark&#8221;, and further [...]&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;27163&#039;,&#039;Exigency In Specie \/ Learning the Lessons&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;27163&#039;,&#039;Exigency In Specie \/ Learning the Lessons&#039;,&#039;&#91;...&#93; AM&#93;Ministry of Truth - SPCK owner seeks US bankruptcy protection for UK charity KEY POST - Digging into the Brewer &#8220;Legal Manoeuvres in the Dark&#8221;, and further &#91;...&#93;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Exigency In Specie / Dave Walker Update</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exigency In Specie / Dave Walker Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] AM]Ministry of Truth - SPCK owner seeks US bankruptcy protection for UK charity KEY POST - Digging into the Brewer &#8220;Legal Manoeuvres in the [...]&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;27161&#039;,&#039;Exigency In Specie \/ Dave Walker Update&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;27161&#039;,&#039;Exigency In Specie \/ Dave Walker Update&#039;,&#039;&#91;...&#93; AM&#93;Ministry of Truth - SPCK owner seeks US bankruptcy protection for UK charity KEY POST - Digging into the Brewer &#8220;Legal Manoeuvres in the &#91;...&#93;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: My Name is Dave Walker: Posts on the Cease and Desist notice &#124; The Wardman Wire</title>
		<link>http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/07/24/spck-owner-seeks-to-bankrupt-uk-charity-in-us-court/comment-page-1/#comment-26657</link>
		<dc:creator>My Name is Dave Walker: Posts on the Cease and Desist notice &#124; The Wardman Wire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] AM]Ministry of Truth - SPCK owner seeks US bankruptcy protection for UK charity KEY POST - Digging into the Brewer &#8220;Legal Manoeuvres in the Dark&#8221;, and further [...]&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;26657&#039;,&#039;My Name is Dave Walker: Posts on the Cease and Desist notice &#124; The Wardman Wire&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;26657&#039;,&#039;My Name is Dave Walker: Posts on the Cease and Desist notice &#124; The Wardman Wire&#039;,&#039;&#91;...&#93; AM&#93;Ministry of Truth - SPCK owner seeks US bankruptcy protection for UK charity KEY POST - Digging into the Brewer &#8220;Legal Manoeuvres in the Dark&#8221;, and further &#91;...&#93;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Increase and Enlist: J Mark Brewer Does The Texas Two Step Cease and Desist &#171; A Blogspotting Anglican Episcopalian</title>
		<link>http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/07/24/spck-owner-seeks-to-bankrupt-uk-charity-in-us-court/comment-page-1/#comment-26296</link>
		<dc:creator>Increase and Enlist: J Mark Brewer Does The Texas Two Step Cease and Desist &#171; A Blogspotting Anglican Episcopalian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] SPCK owner seeks US bankruptcy protection for UK charity [...]&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;26296&#039;,&#039;Increase and Enlist: J Mark Brewer Does The Texas Two Step Cease and Desist &laquo; A Blogspotting Anglican Episcopalian&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;26296&#039;,&#039;Increase and Enlist: J Mark Brewer Does The Texas Two Step Cease and Desist &laquo; A Blogspotting Anglican Episcopalian&#039;,&#039;&#91;...&#93; SPCK owner seeks US bankruptcy protection for UK charity &#91;...&#93;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: I&#8217;m Dave Walker &#171; Brainduck&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/07/24/spck-owner-seeks-to-bankrupt-uk-charity-in-us-court/comment-page-1/#comment-26273</link>
		<dc:creator>I&#8217;m Dave Walker &#171; Brainduck&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] AM]Ministry of Truth - SPCK owner seeks US bankruptcy protection for UK charity KEY POST - Digging into the Brewer &#8220;Legal Manoeuvres in the Dark&#8221;, and further [...]&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;26273&#039;,&#039;I&#8217;m Dave Walker &laquo; Brainduck&#8217;s Weblog&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;26273&#039;,&#039;I&#8217;m Dave Walker &laquo; Brainduck&#8217;s Weblog&#039;,&#039;&#91;...&#93; AM&#93;Ministry of Truth - SPCK owner seeks US bankruptcy protection for UK charity KEY POST - Digging into the Brewer &#8220;Legal Manoeuvres in the Dark&#8221;, and further &#91;...&#93;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Legal intimidation? &#171; Chris Luff, discomblogulating</title>
		<link>http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/07/24/spck-owner-seeks-to-bankrupt-uk-charity-in-us-court/comment-page-1/#comment-26214</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal intimidation? &#171; Chris Luff, discomblogulating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] AM]Ministry of Truth - SPCK owner seeks US bankruptcy protection for UK charity KEY POST - Digging into the Brewer &#8220;Legal Manoeuvres in the [...]&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;26214&#039;,&#039;Legal intimidation? &laquo; Chris Luff, discomblogulating&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;26214&#039;,&#039;Legal intimidation? &laquo; Chris Luff, discomblogulating&#039;,&#039;&#91;...&#93; AM&#93;Ministry of Truth - SPCK owner seeks US bankruptcy protection for UK charity KEY POST - Digging into the Brewer &#8220;Legal Manoeuvres in the &#91;...&#93;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Blogger Threatened with Libel Action from SPCK Bookshops Owner &#171; Bartholomew&#8217;s Notes on Religion</title>
		<link>http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/07/24/spck-owner-seeks-to-bankrupt-uk-charity-in-us-court/comment-page-1/#comment-26206</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogger Threatened with Libel Action from SPCK Bookshops Owner &#171; Bartholomew&#8217;s Notes on Religion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Unity at Ministry of TruthÂ has done some further digging,Â finding gems such as: SPCKâ€™s remaining bookshops, including [...]
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		<title>By: rigorist</title>
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		<dc:creator>rigorist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have downloaded the statement of affairs, the debtor&#039;s bankruptcy schedules, the amendments to the schedules, the disclosure of compensation by attorney for the debtor, the trustee&#039;s motion to dismiss (a much clearer copy), and a strange anonymous letter sent to the Court; all from the US court system&#039;s official PACER service.  I will be happy to forward them to you if you will send me an email address via back channel.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;26205&#039;,&#039;rigorist&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;26205&#039;,&#039;rigorist&#039;,&#039;I have downloaded the statement of affairs, the debtor\&#039;s bankruptcy schedules, the amendments to the schedules, the disclosure of compensation by attorney for the debtor, the trustee\&#039;s motion to dismiss (a much clearer copy), and a strange anonymous letter sent to the Court; all from the US court system\&#039;s official PACER service.  I will be happy to forward them to you if you will send me an email address via back channel.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have downloaded the statement of affairs, the debtor&#8217;s bankruptcy schedules, the amendments to the schedules, the disclosure of compensation by attorney for the debtor, the trustee&#8217;s motion to dismiss (a much clearer copy), and a strange anonymous letter sent to the Court; all from the US court system&#8217;s official PACER service.  I will be happy to forward them to you if you will send me an email address via back channel.
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/07/24/spck-owner-seeks-to-bankrupt-uk-charity-in-us-court/comment-page-1/#comment-26204</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the person who posted about this on Slashdot. I did it in hopes of connecting with some other interested people, and it appears I have. I&#039;m going to try to ferret out the back posts from the blog in question and at least make them available on my own blog, which is located in the U.S.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;26204&#039;,&#039;Anne&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;26204&#039;,&#039;Anne&#039;,&#039;I\&#039;m the person who posted about this on Slashdot. I did it in hopes of connecting with some other interested people, and it appears I have. I\&#039;m going to try to ferret out the back posts from the blog in question and at least make them available on my own blog, which is located in the U.S.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the person who posted about this on Slashdot. I did it in hopes of connecting with some other interested people, and it appears I have. I&#8217;m going to try to ferret out the back posts from the blog in question and at least make them available on my own blog, which is located in the U.S.
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		<title>By: Unity</title>
		<link>http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/07/24/spck-owner-seeks-to-bankrupt-uk-charity-in-us-court/comment-page-1/#comment-26199</link>
		<dc:creator>Unity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Furious... However...

From what I can see, it was the charitable trust that was the trading entity, at least on taking over SPCK&#039;s shops in November 2006.

The company was not incorporated until Feb 2007, after which it was registered as a charity in June 2007 and the Trust rolled into it as a subsidiary in August 2007 under S96 Uniting direction.

Which is bizarre as the usual trading structure for a charity is that of a parent charity, which is often, these days, also a company limited by guarantee, and a non-charitable company limited by shares operateing as a wholly owned subsidiary, with profits transferred to the charity either by covenant or gift aid.

Th structure you describe is absolutely the right one for a charity with a trading arm - but its not what Brewer registered unless its ENC that&#039;s the trading arm, in which case we still wind up with Brewer trying to ditch a Uk registered charitable trust in a US court to avoid liabilities.

And... and here&#039;s the rub, liability for trustees of charitable trusts is unlimited and personal.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;26199&#039;,&#039;Unity&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;26199&#039;,&#039;Unity&#039;,&#039;Thanks, Furious... However...\r\n\r\nFrom what I can see, it was the charitable trust that was the trading entity, at least on taking over SPCK\&#039;s shops in November 2006.\r\n\r\nThe company was not incorporated until Feb 2007, after which it was registered as a charity in June 2007 and the Trust rolled into it as a subsidiary in August 2007 under S96 Uniting direction.\r\n\r\nWhich is bizarre as the usual trading structure for a charity is that of a parent charity, which is often, these days, also a company limited by guarantee, and a non-charitable company limited by shares operateing as a wholly owned subsidiary, with profits transferred to the charity either by covenant or gift aid.\r\n\r\nTh structure you describe is absolutely the right one for a charity with a trading arm - but its not what Brewer registered unless its ENC that\&#039;s the trading arm, in which case we still wind up with Brewer trying to ditch a Uk registered charitable trust in a US court to avoid liabilities.\r\n\r\nAnd... and here\&#039;s the rub, liability for trustees of charitable trusts is unlimited and personal.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Furious&#8230; However&#8230;</p>
<p>From what I can see, it was the charitable trust that was the trading entity, at least on taking over SPCK&#8217;s shops in November 2006.</p>
<p>The company was not incorporated until Feb 2007, after which it was registered as a charity in June 2007 and the Trust rolled into it as a subsidiary in August 2007 under S96 Uniting direction.</p>
<p>Which is bizarre as the usual trading structure for a charity is that of a parent charity, which is often, these days, also a company limited by guarantee, and a non-charitable company limited by shares operateing as a wholly owned subsidiary, with profits transferred to the charity either by covenant or gift aid.</p>
<p>Th structure you describe is absolutely the right one for a charity with a trading arm &#8211; but its not what Brewer registered unless its ENC that&#8217;s the trading arm, in which case we still wind up with Brewer trying to ditch a Uk registered charitable trust in a US court to avoid liabilities.</p>
<p>And&#8230; and here&#8217;s the rub, liability for trustees of charitable trusts is unlimited and personal.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('26199','Unity'); return false;">Reply</a>  | <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('26199','Unity','Thanks, Furious... However...\r\n\r\nFrom what I can see, it was the charitable trust that was the trading entity, at least on taking over SPCK\'s shops in November 2006.\r\n\r\nThe company was not incorporated until Feb 2007, after which it was registered as a charity in June 2007 and the Trust rolled into it as a subsidiary in August 2007 under S96 Uniting direction.\r\n\r\nWhich is bizarre as the usual trading structure for a charity is that of a parent charity, which is often, these days, also a company limited by guarantee, and a non-charitable company limited by shares operateing as a wholly owned subsidiary, with profits transferred to the charity either by covenant or gift aid.\r\n\r\nTh structure you describe is absolutely the right one for a charity with a trading arm - but its not what Brewer registered unless its ENC that\'s the trading arm, in which case we still wind up with Brewer trying to ditch a Uk registered charitable trust in a US court to avoid liabilities.\r\n\r\nAnd... and here\'s the rub, liability for trustees of charitable trusts is unlimited and personal.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: furious</title>
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		<dc:creator>furious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few more notes for clarification. 

There is no such thing in the UK as a Limited Liability Company (LLC).  An LLC is a US entity.  There is in the UK a Limited Liability Partnership (LLP) but there is no LLP registered in the UK under any of the variations of SSG or St Stephen the Great.

The number quoted in the bankruptcy petition in the Texas court is the UK registered charity number - the petitioner claims it&#039;s a UK registered company, which is not true.  There is no UK company registered with the number quoted as a UK company registration number on the bankruptcy petition.

I believe that the Charity Commission advised the Brewers to separate the trading entity from the charitable entity, since a charity may only trade and include its trading within charitable accounts if the purpose of the charity is furthered by the trading.  SPCK could legitimately do this as a charity, but the aims of the St Stephen the Great trust(s) are not to communicate Christian literature etc, they are to set up Orthodox Churches, and while a trading profit (haha) from the bookshops could have supported this purpose, it is not charitable in itself.  This is why Oxfam Trading is a wholly owned operating company owned by Oxfam the charity.  Oxfam the charity might own the shares, but the entities are separate.

The Charity Commission would probably be looking into the extent, if any, to which charitable money has been used to prop up the operation of the shops.  Any such payments would probably be ultra vires, and therefore a breech of trust.

ENC, Durham Cathederal (sic) Shop Management and Chichester Cathedral Shop Management are UK registered companies, registered by persons from outside the UK.  They are thus subject to UK company law, and can become insolvent in the UK (but not bankrupt.) They may also be subject to US law, but that&#039;s a matter for a US based lawyer.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;26198&#039;,&#039;furious&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;26198&#039;,&#039;furious&#039;,&#039;A few more notes for clarification. \r\n\r\nThere is no such thing in the UK as a Limited Liability Company (LLC).  An LLC is a US entity.  There is in the UK a Limited Liability Partnership (LLP) but there is no LLP registered in the UK under any of the variations of SSG or St Stephen the Great.\r\n\r\nThe number quoted in the bankruptcy petition in the Texas court is the UK registered charity number - the petitioner claims it\&#039;s a UK registered company, which is not true.  There is no UK company registered with the number quoted as a UK company registration number on the bankruptcy petition.\r\n\r\nI believe that the Charity Commission advised the Brewers to separate the trading entity from the charitable entity, since a charity may only trade and include its trading within charitable accounts if the purpose of the charity is furthered by the trading.  SPCK could legitimately do this as a charity, but the aims of the St Stephen the Great trust(s) are not to communicate Christian literature etc, they are to set up Orthodox Churches, and while a trading profit (haha) from the bookshops could have supported this purpose, it is not charitable in itself.  This is why Oxfam Trading is a wholly owned operating company owned by Oxfam the charity.  Oxfam the charity might own the shares, but the entities are separate.\r\n\r\nThe Charity Commission would probably be looking into the extent, if any, to which charitable money has been used to prop up the operation of the shops.  Any such payments would probably be ultra vires, and therefore a breech of trust.\r\n\r\nENC, Durham Cathederal (sic) Shop Management and Chichester Cathedral Shop Management are UK registered companies, registered by persons from outside the UK.  They are thus subject to UK company law, and can become insolvent in the UK (but not bankrupt.) They may also be subject to US law, but that\&#039;s a matter for a US based lawyer.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few more notes for clarification. </p>
<p>There is no such thing in the UK as a Limited Liability Company (LLC).  An LLC is a US entity.  There is in the UK a Limited Liability Partnership (LLP) but there is no LLP registered in the UK under any of the variations of SSG or St Stephen the Great.</p>
<p>The number quoted in the bankruptcy petition in the Texas court is the UK registered charity number &#8211; the petitioner claims it&#8217;s a UK registered company, which is not true.  There is no UK company registered with the number quoted as a UK company registration number on the bankruptcy petition.</p>
<p>I believe that the Charity Commission advised the Brewers to separate the trading entity from the charitable entity, since a charity may only trade and include its trading within charitable accounts if the purpose of the charity is furthered by the trading.  SPCK could legitimately do this as a charity, but the aims of the St Stephen the Great trust(s) are not to communicate Christian literature etc, they are to set up Orthodox Churches, and while a trading profit (haha) from the bookshops could have supported this purpose, it is not charitable in itself.  This is why Oxfam Trading is a wholly owned operating company owned by Oxfam the charity.  Oxfam the charity might own the shares, but the entities are separate.</p>
<p>The Charity Commission would probably be looking into the extent, if any, to which charitable money has been used to prop up the operation of the shops.  Any such payments would probably be ultra vires, and therefore a breech of trust.</p>
<p>ENC, Durham Cathederal (sic) Shop Management and Chichester Cathedral Shop Management are UK registered companies, registered by persons from outside the UK.  They are thus subject to UK company law, and can become insolvent in the UK (but not bankrupt.) They may also be subject to US law, but that&#8217;s a matter for a US based lawyer.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('26198','furious'); return false;">Reply</a>  | <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('26198','furious','A few more notes for clarification. \r\n\r\nThere is no such thing in the UK as a Limited Liability Company (LLC).  An LLC is a US entity.  There is in the UK a Limited Liability Partnership (LLP) but there is no LLP registered in the UK under any of the variations of SSG or St Stephen the Great.\r\n\r\nThe number quoted in the bankruptcy petition in the Texas court is the UK registered charity number - the petitioner claims it\'s a UK registered company, which is not true.  There is no UK company registered with the number quoted as a UK company registration number on the bankruptcy petition.\r\n\r\nI believe that the Charity Commission advised the Brewers to separate the trading entity from the charitable entity, since a charity may only trade and include its trading within charitable accounts if the purpose of the charity is furthered by the trading.  SPCK could legitimately do this as a charity, but the aims of the St Stephen the Great trust(s) are not to communicate Christian literature etc, they are to set up Orthodox Churches, and while a trading profit (haha) from the bookshops could have supported this purpose, it is not charitable in itself.  This is why Oxfam Trading is a wholly owned operating company owned by Oxfam the charity.  Oxfam the charity might own the shares, but the entities are separate.\r\n\r\nThe Charity Commission would probably be looking into the extent, if any, to which charitable money has been used to prop up the operation of the shops.  Any such payments would probably be ultra vires, and therefore a breech of trust.\r\n\r\nENC, Durham Cathederal (sic) Shop Management and Chichester Cathedral Shop Management are UK registered companies, registered by persons from outside the UK.  They are thus subject to UK company law, and can become insolvent in the UK (but not bankrupt.) They may also be subject to US law, but that\'s a matter for a US based lawyer.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Sim-O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sim-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wanting to be helpful, rather than just speak up, I have saved the first 9 pages of the google results untill google said the rest were omitted because of similarities.

I don&#039;t know if I&#039;ve wasted my time or not but if someone wants it, email me and I&#039;ll send the link. simosthoughts at gmail dot com&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;26196&#039;,&#039;Sim-O&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;26196&#039;,&#039;Sim-O&#039;,&#039;Wanting to be helpful, rather than just speak up, I have saved the first 9 pages of the google results untill google said the rest were omitted because of similarities.\r\n\r\nI don\&#039;t know if I\&#039;ve wasted my time or not but if someone wants it, email me and I\&#039;ll send the link. simosthoughts at gmail dot com&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wanting to be helpful, rather than just speak up, I have saved the first 9 pages of the google results untill google said the rest were omitted because of similarities.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;ve wasted my time or not but if someone wants it, email me and I&#8217;ll send the link. simosthoughts at gmail dot com
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		<title>By: Matt Wardman</title>
		<link>http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/07/24/spck-owner-seeks-to-bankrupt-uk-charity-in-us-court/comment-page-1/#comment-26195</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Wardman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that US Court Transcripts are public documents.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;26195&#039;,&#039;Matt Wardman&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;26195&#039;,&#039;Matt Wardman&#039;,&#039;I think that US Court Transcripts are public documents.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that US Court Transcripts are public documents.
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		<title>By: I&#8217;m Dave Walker (And You Should Be Too) &#171; Back Towards The Locus</title>
		<link>http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/07/24/spck-owner-seeks-to-bankrupt-uk-charity-in-us-court/comment-page-1/#comment-26194</link>
		<dc:creator>I&#8217;m Dave Walker (And You Should Be Too) &#171; Back Towards The Locus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has brandished his magnifying glass and dredged up some interesting information regarding the SSG, while Scott Gunn quotes from a post [...]&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;26194&#039;,&#039;I&#8217;m Dave Walker (And You Should Be Too) &laquo; Back Towards The Locus&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;26194&#039;,&#039;I&#8217;m Dave Walker (And You Should Be Too) &laquo; Back Towards The Locus&#039;,&#039;&#91;...&#93; has brandished his magnifying glass and dredged up some interesting information regarding the SSG, while Scott Gunn quotes from a post &#91;...&#93;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has brandished his magnifying glass and dredged up some interesting information regarding the SSG, while Scott Gunn quotes from a post [...]
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is excellent. I wonder, is it possible for your contact to obtain court transcripts as and when they are produced?? Also note that the notice of the employmeny tribunal cites the three companies/charities:

(1) St Stephen the Great Limited [Co RESPONDENTS]
(2) St Stephen the Great Charitable Trust
(3) ENC Management Company

so if it was their aim to weasel out of the claims by transforming themselves into something else, it seems to have failed!!!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;26193&#039;,&#039;Jim&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;26193&#039;,&#039;Jim&#039;,&#039;This is excellent. I wonder, is it possible for your contact to obtain court transcripts as and when they are produced?? Also note that the notice of the employmeny tribunal cites the three companies\/charities:\r\n\r\n(1) St Stephen the Great Limited &#91;Co RESPONDENTS&#93;\r\n(2) St Stephen the Great Charitable Trust\r\n(3) ENC Management Company\r\n\r\nso if it was their aim to weasel out of the claims by transforming themselves into something else, it seems to have failed!!!&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is excellent. I wonder, is it possible for your contact to obtain court transcripts as and when they are produced?? Also note that the notice of the employmeny tribunal cites the three companies/charities:</p>
<p>(1) St Stephen the Great Limited [Co RESPONDENTS]<br />
(2) St Stephen the Great Charitable Trust<br />
(3) ENC Management Company</p>
<p>so if it was their aim to weasel out of the claims by transforming themselves into something else, it seems to have failed!!!
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('26193','Jim'); return false;">Reply</a>  | <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('26193','Jim','This is excellent. I wonder, is it possible for your contact to obtain court transcripts as and when they are produced?? Also note that the notice of the employmeny tribunal cites the three companies\/charities:\r\n\r\n(1) St Stephen the Great Limited &amp;#91;Co RESPONDENTS&amp;#93;\r\n(2) St Stephen the Great Charitable Trust\r\n(3) ENC Management Company\r\n\r\nso if it was their aim to weasel out of the claims by transforming themselves into something else, it seems to have failed!!!'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: D-Notice</title>
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		<dc:creator>D-Notice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Done

http://d-notice.blogspot.com/2008/07/d-notice-religious-nuts.html&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;26192&#039;,&#039;D-Notice&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;26192&#039;,&#039;D-Notice&#039;,&#039;Done\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/d-notice.blogspot.com\/2008\/07\/d-notice-religious-nuts.html&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Done</p>
<p><a href="http://d-notice.blogspot.com/2008/07/d-notice-religious-nuts.html" rel="nofollow">http://d-notice.blogspot.com/2008/07/d-notice-religious-nuts.html</a>
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		<title>By: Doug Chaplin</title>
		<link>http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/07/24/spck-owner-seeks-to-bankrupt-uk-charity-in-us-court/comment-page-1/#comment-26191</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Chaplin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for taking up the baton. The more the merrier.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;26191&#039;,&#039;Doug Chaplin&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;26191&#039;,&#039;Doug Chaplin&#039;,&#039;Thanks for taking up the baton. The more the merrier.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking up the baton. The more the merrier.
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